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This isn't exactly a ban post, but is to discuss hacking and a possible detection method. Currently the pomson steals energy when you hit a target as long as the target has energy to lose. It makes a distinct 'pew' sound when this happens to. Of course this is terrible for spies and medics and has lead to quite a bit of loathing.
I have been finding some spies I can't steal energy from. Women-tiger is the one that has lead me to make this post. After hitting her and even triggering the dead ringer by that shot, she didn't lose energy. When I hit other spies they still lose energy regardless of using the dead ringer, which leads to them decloaking almost immediately after being hit (roughly 3 seconds).
Not just that, but even while hitting her normally the gun didn't make the 'pew' sound, which means it didn't steal energy.
Thoughts?
Actually, after I went back in game, Reebo happened to mention she wasn't making noise when she decloaks either. Apparently she decloaked right in front of him and he didn't hear anything. This is before I even mentioned that I couldn't sap energy from her. I decided to make a demo anyway to show what I'm talking about. It's a crappy demo showing me playing engineer.
First two times I encounter her and shoot her it doesn't make any sound. If the pomson hits a target with energy it makes a distinct 'pewewe' sound and it does a little woosh on them. You can see me hit a couple medics and it does the sound and makes the woosh effect. In the second map I encounter her for a third time and all of a sudden it works after we poked at her a bit about this (assuming she toggled and she did quite poorly that round). She is the one running around with the top hat with a feather in it with the wooshy glow around it.
I personally thought the no decloak sound was fishy as I've seen that happen before, but I thought that was me not paying enough attention or my game was bugged... Beggining of the round before I made the demo she also rushed straight through the lines to the upper left of the map where I had built some stuff hidden in a corner and sapped it as well. But I didn't mention that as sometimes people get 'lucky', some more then others... it's superstantial. Pretty sure this isn't superstantial.
http://www.mediafire.com/?jrhvbb0ebxy8z36
I'll try to get a better one where you can see me hit her and it triggers her dead ringer, but doesn't make the sound or the wooshy and she doesn't end up decloaking faster then normal.
Last edited by Bensam123; 02-05-2012 at 11:40 PM.
I'll try to pick up on this stuff next time I see her on the server.
Not the first time I have heard people being suspicious of this women-tiger.
I'm really hoping valve fixes some of the more serious issues that come about from this. We most likely won't ban a weapon, but if they seriously don't fix the relating issues, I'm not sure.
Too strong of an opinion can interfere with the process of collection.
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I don't typically play a class that this affects but it looks unbalanced as hell on paper. Regardless, unless there is a major bug or compelling reason I don't see us banning a weapon.
Now as far as this situation goes with the hacking, we would have to get more definite proof to take any sort of action. I can look into whether people are reporting hacks with this weapon but right now I haven't heard anything either way.
Originally Posted by Zirkus
Nothing of this nature makes noises on disguised spies, or visibly hits them, usually.
WomanTiger<Thai is not a girl, FYI. He just posts a spray of a Jpop Singer that no one is familiar with so they always assume it's a personal Photo.
And as his #1 spy-checker, I can tell you that if there was something weird going on with his Deadringer Bar, I would have noticed by now.
We may not even have the capability to blacklist Weapons currently. Not even ones as broken as that Phlogistanner thingy (as tempting as it would be). I'd also point out that the most dangerous thing about WT<Thai is currently his Enforcer which is has a pending nerf being Beta tested. Spies have definitely become very overpowered since the addition of that gun combined with the Spycicle but you just have to adapt and make sure your sound is always on so you can hear if you're burning a Spycicle-Spy in the middle of a spamfest. It's not easy but it can be done and they DO catch fire again if you hold it over them for more than 3 seconds.
EDIT: Also: most deadringer spies are just as easily countered by the SydneySleeper + Jarate as they are by Pyros as most of them just walk right through Sniping lanes without even Strafing b/c they "Crutch" so hard on the Deadringer.
Last edited by iller; 02-06-2012 at 05:56 PM.
Why would you ban the Pomson?
That aside, if the pomson always generated a wooshy and a sound when it drains energy and if someone gets hit by it who has energy and you don't get the sound or the animation, then they're using something to prevent energy loss. But, what Zirkus said may be true. I'll toodle around with it a bit more and look more closely at how it reacts with players.
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