An Apology for the Delay with the New Payload Rotation

**RawrSpoon** · 10-06-2011 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by iller

Failstabs are extremely common with Heavies b/c their Hitboxes are so massive that you can ACCIDENTALLY INSIDE THEM.

Backstabs use the bounding box, which is the same regardless of what class you're playing.

**iller** · 10-06-2011 08:49 PM

yeah and latency collision conflict is the root of the problem. ...we're not in apple orange territory yet

**RawrSpoon** · 10-06-2011 09:03 PM

Backstabs are largely ping-independent. They're the only instant-hit melee in the game, making it basically an equivalent to a hitscan weapon.

**iller** · 10-06-2011 09:10 PM

Yeah, but since it's still a melee hitscan it can end up on the wrong side of the poly face it was aimed at b/c the server code allowed the collision meshes to inter-clip for a few milliseconds. (it hits the wrong side first, which also explains true facestabs)